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Posted By Admin
Posted On 25-08-2013
Comments Dear Dr. Romit, There are a number of doctors from Russia who have been selected by UPSC in DHS. Once any doctor with foreign degree is registered by MCI he is to be treated in same way as any other doctor from any other medical college of India. -Secretary DADWA
Posted By dr romit
Posted On 21-08-2013
Comments there are some contract doctors who have degree from Russia and China. Should they be regularised? Is presently there any doctor passed from Russia and China working as a regular one recruited through UPSC.
Posted By dr romit
Posted On 21-08-2013
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The contractual doctotrs in NDMC are going to be regularized through UPSC and interview dates are to be announce soon. The contractual doctors in GNCTD can make use of this information for their benefit.

Posted By d k dewan
Posted On 16-05-2012
Comments Our heartiest congratulations to all those Contractual colleagues who are now a part of the DHS & also to those who should be there in the very near future. Best Wishes & Good luck!
Posted By suchitra
Posted On 12-04-2012
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A small team of regular doctors become activated as and when the process of regularisation of adhoc/contract doctors is initiated. They wake up from their long slumber whenever somthing postive is done for the contract and ad-hoc docotrs. 

Posted By pawan
Posted On 12-04-2012
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Some regular doctors are in court to hamper the process of regularisation. Their plea is that if regularization if done from back date will affect their seniority. They want that adhoc doctors who joined in 1996 should not become senior to the one who joined in 2006 by upsc. Then what about the those who are joining after 2006 by upsc. Would not they become junior to them. So the process of regularisation should not be stalled. There is a workforce which is by all parameters equally qualified but should not be exploited without giving any credit to their past services Govt. is also happy as it saves a lot of money. Why is this situation continuiing?

Posted By Dr. Amit Kumar Tyagi
Posted On 07-04-2012
Comments Sir, first of all i will like to thanks DADWA for its initiative to organize half day workshop for the benefits of Contractual Doctors....for me it means a lot...i was really impressed with the quality of lectures and material they have selected and hope it will definitely help me in development of my interview. thanks once again..... secondly there is no file attached along with your mail..i request you to kindly resend the mail with attachment.
Posted By Dr S
Posted On 03-04-2012
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hi, i think UPSC will recruit the doctors interviewed. The 2008 batch will follow soon; so why any one should try to stop the interviews. I do not know why people are going to court in a hurry.

Posted By Admin
Posted On 01-04-2012
Comments Dr. Dewans comment according to our interpretation was aimed to highlight the need for unity of people and of the purpose. It is a telling tale of how myopic vision of small section of vested interests in Govt. can harm the interest of hundreds of those who basically want to serve, but not as slaves. The policy is aimed to create factions, divisions and groups within the groups so that no one is able to fix responsibility on who was the creator of this mess. As Indians now we are used to it but it is we who have to exercise caution. When it comes to justice, it is better to seek it for all. Dr. Suman point is well taken.
Posted By d k dewan
Posted On 28-03-2012
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Unfortunately my comments have been seen out of context. All along i have always been pro-contractual colleagues and my interaction ( presentation) at DMA on 25th March was reflective of the same. Policy & such decisions are not the prerogative of technical persons even in authority ( even if one wants it to be). Best Wishes to all.

Posted By Dr. Suman
Posted On 28-03-2012
Comments Dr. Dewan's comments do not appear to be of a person who is director of family welfare under who so many doctors work. If government ignores the interest of those appointed after Dec 2006 where do they go? When no one listens then only people go to court. Then why comparison to Kalidas?
Posted By d k dewan
Posted On 23-03-2012
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Requesting all to see my earlier posted comments dated 27/9/11. See what has happened yesterday ( of stay on the interviews by UPSC) taken by some professional colleagues. It is apparent that a golden opportunity is likely to be missed. Regularization of pre-2006 batch would have opened doors for all others entrants later. Kalidas story should nto be re-played (who was cutting the branch of tree on which he himself was sitting). Luckily the interviews are being held and this should be all as an opportunity to further their own cause.

Posted By Admin
Posted On 11-12-2011
Comments Dear Dr. Kumar, The appraisals sent to UPSC by GNCTD is an attempt to complete the dossier of all officers indicating their eligibility for consideration by UPSC which reserves its right to choose the modality of selection of candidates, it can be written test+interview, only interviews. Since it is not a departmental promotion, chances are that it will not be based on ACR's alone. But then UPSC is an empowered body and can choose its actions. -Secretary DADWA
Posted By v kumar
Posted On 29-11-2011
Comments what will be the mode of regularisation of upsc for the contract doctors. Will it be interview or written or just work and conduct.
Posted By Admin
Posted On 23-10-2011
Comments Dear Dr. T. Chucha, Kindly accept my sincere appreciation for your comment. I in return quote below DADWA's message on eve of republic day of 2011 as below: "As people we always wish good things to happen around us. We want everything to be done by the Govt. for us just because we elected it. But will this approach suffice? On this Republic Day, we all have to take note of the event and choose a role for ourselves. It is not enough that we leave everything on someone else and do nothing ourselves. Someone may ask what we, the powerless, can do? Well I post my views for you to peruse and comment on, ďIf you canít do anything, you may still observe; If you canít stop crime, remember it and point a finger; if you canít articulate, simply gesticulate; if you canít do something on the fore-front, do it on the back; If you can't recognize enemies, identify the friends, If you canít do things for others, do it for yourself & your future; If you canít be a master, at least don't be a puppet; Mind you, it is you and you alone who can stop yourself from doing something good! We may now pledge to think differently on this august day!"
Posted By d k dewan
Posted On 27-09-2011
Comments The UPSC advt. preceded by the contractual recruitment about 1-2months ago, preceded by similar contractual appointments at regular periodic intervals need to be examined by all professional colleagues in the context of the proposed regularization through cadre formation( a mirage so far !) of contractual doctors/specialists . Also worth examination is the gradual withdrawal of service benefits to such contractual colleagues . All these point to either some disjointed policy ( which could be unintentional) or some move to keep the professionals a divided lot!. Effort of the DADWA should be to ensure that all round justice is advocated without any discrimination. The noblest of profession is getting eroded in the process.
Posted By Dr. Thinosekho Chucha
Posted On 27-09-2011
Comments I want to put a question to all doctors, what NAPOLEON said; is yes or not? "The world suffers a lot; not because of the violent of bad people, but because of silent of good people!" I am very sure, every one of us face one problem or the other during our service carrier for not our false. Are we want to create more problems and want to pass more and more problems to our juniors and to all coming generations?
Posted By anita shah
Posted On 17-09-2011
Comments its shame on for policy makers who usully cry on ratio of pst and doctors..but not sincerly think abt regularisation of working doc..
Posted By Dr Naresh
Posted On 21-01-2011
Comments The withdrawal of the benefits to the contract/adhoc doctors is against the rules as these benefits should be available to all the employee whether on contract or on ad hoc who have completed one year of continous service and are continuing for more than one year.
Posted By Dr Chetan
Posted On 12-01-2011
Comments I think that the regularization movement has lost momemtum, because for ad-hoc doctor Delhi Govt has removed benefits such as Child care leave, study-leave, even LTC. Not only that the local employers are even questioning whether ad-hocs can get allowances such as school-fees allowances. And remember you will not get pension. The supreme court order of equal work equal pay is not being enforced at all. If you calculate the financial loss to yourself it is a lot.
Posted By Raj Kr.
Posted On 08-11-2010
Comments Can any one tell me what is happening about the regularization of contractual doctors. How long they will have to wait despite the promise of Delhi Govt. and proactive stand of DADWA. Is any one really working in this direction or people are content reaching high positions through SAG and what not?
Posted By Admin
Posted On 09-09-2007
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Dear Dr. Kumar,

Sorry for the late response. You would see that we had many meetings lines up one after another and we have nothing like a secretariat for DADWA.

I agree that it is unfortunate that extension of doctors is delayed and consequently their salary is released late. All such affected doctors should send a mail to secretarydadwa@rediffmail.com giving their name, designation and place of work with details of the quarters when it was delayed in past one year, so that this can be formally taken up with H&FW Dept. Ideally they should make a representation through their respective institutions.

-Secretary DADWA.

Posted By Dr. Kumar
Posted On 07-09-2007
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Dear Sir

         no assurance has been given from DADWA side till today regarding the issue raised by me. DADWA as the name suggest should deal with the problems of both the streams of doctors. there should not be any discrimination between the doctors.

Posted By Dr. Kumar
Posted On 04-09-2007
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I want to request to the president DADWA to kindly discuss the matter of extension of the contract doctors with concerned, during the next meeting, because most of the time it takes three to four months after the expiry of the period,which causes undue harrasment of us. 

Posted By DR Neerja Varshney
Posted On 23-07-2007
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Dear Dr Amit

you have commented how can a contract doctor claim seniority over regular UPSC selected doctor but I think you are not aware this is happening in some hospitals. They are not only claiming they have been  even given seniority in respect to very senior medical officers. Now you only decide whether it is justified.

Posted By Dr. Vijay Rai
Posted On 18-07-2007
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Amit has a very valid point. Something that was done to tide over an exigency; either the officer appointed on contract continues to serve after regularization withing 90 days or he/she is replaced by another suitable candidate. It is a pity that people continued to be granted letters for extension of their service every 3 months after a break.

I recall while working as MS of GGSG Hospital that one contractual doctor sought my permission to go and get her letter of extension as one clerk had informed her that the same was ready. I said, "Why you should go? It is my responsibility as head of this hospital administration to get you your extension. Just as you performed your duties well, the hospital should do its bit also."

Posted By rakesh
Posted On 30-06-2007
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dear amit, delhi govt had taken adhoc doctors to expand its demanding health services; but adhoc  canot continue for 10 yrs.the govt should have discontinued the services after six months as is the rule.

 

Posted By Admin
Posted On 28-06-2007
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28-6-07

Dear Dr. Amit,  Dr. Narayan, Dr. Arun and ....

I do not know if you are aware that we decided to edit the views for past few weeks when some very nasty and unparmialmentary remarks came up on this websire. Earlier it was a free for all website with no facility to edit or modify comments but this was changed after an executive meeting.

Please note that under no circumstances this website can be allowed to be used as a medium to encourage fights and divisions. The views are expected to be polite, brief and in the larger interest of the doctors.

We reserve our right to delete/edit/modify any comment and the publisher is not expected to exercise any right. Nor is this website a forum to give threats or register grievance. for this one is expected to send a mail directly to secretarydadwa@rediffmail.com or to info@dadwa.com giving self details.

Expression of a view is not an end in itself. It is meant to interest others. The legal battle nor any kind of ill-will should be brought on the website. The fight between employers and employees is degenerating into a fight between employee and employee. Some one is smiling. Guess who?

-Secretary DADWA

Posted By Amit
Posted On 26-06-2007
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Dear Moderator / Secy. DADWA (Everybody knows that Secy DADWA is the Moderator),

Till yesterday, I believed  that the  "Views & Comments" link on our website allows us to express our feelings & thoughts. And it promotes group discussion & lets us know the views of our members withuot actually meeting them personally.

However, after seeing what is published as comments against my name yesterday, all this belief has simply evaporated instantly. And the faith in you probably gone.

I had not written the comments the way they have been published/ shown. My thoughts were entirely different.

Specialists Association people have been time & again saying everywhere the same about your character. But we HAD unflinching faith in you. Now  its gone.

I HAVE FORWARDED THIS MESSAGE TO MANY MEMBERS & SHALL CONTINUE TO DO SO TO MANY MORE EVERYDAY FOR FEW DAYS so that at leasttruth comes out at the earliest.

I assure you that this would definitely be discussed in General Body Meeting of DADWA.

If you are honest, then have courage & let at least this letter come AS IT IS and let it be there for two weeks on the site for many members to read & opine. Let see if you have the courage Or you  would "tamper with" this also criticizing me for my comments & giving some non palatable explanations that it amounts to insulting. And if it amounts to INsult then what is that which you are doing with our feelings??

I demand an urgent explanation & apology from you for this misdeed.

You can write to me personally , if you cant gather courage to write upfront here.

You are probably playing with the thoughts of your members & I strongly feel that you are using this website for your personal gains & advantages.

All the best Sir.

AMIT

Posted By Doctor
Posted On 26-06-2007
Comments No one is against regularisation of our ad-hoc colleagues at this juncture after having known them and having worked with them for so many years.During these years they have become an important part of Delhi;s Health system.But,we shall certainly want our interests to be protected in respect of our seniority so that any future discord may not mar our friendship. Since we all form part of the same great fraternity ,we expect them to accept our senioity as we had to face an UPSC exam before getting our jobs 
Posted By ARUN KUMAR
Posted On 26-06-2007
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Dear Amit,-------

  You are right that the adhoc/contract doctors as they are not appointed reglarly. UPSC is a selecting body only in case of doctors in Govt. service; if not selected a doctor will remain a doctor who will now do the same nature of work in pvt. sector. It means UPSC is not testing our qualification. You compare it with other non-technical exam as civil service where the candidates come from different streams and are judged for a particular type of work  regardless of their qualification. In this case the UPSC is not only a selecting body but also a 'qualifying' body where it qualify the candidates for a particular job or work say administrative or more appropriatly 'managerial'.

Now the question arise:--

1. Why did Delhi Govt. invite for contractual appointments when it already had a channel to recruit doctors? If it was an exigency that exigency did never arised overnight. The posts against which docs were recruited were lying vacant for a long time.

2. What is the fault of the candidates who responded to the adv.? Had those posts were notified through UPSC all the eligible candidates could get chance to come through the UPSC AND would have called 'regular' doctors and got the deserving seniorty as other regular doctors.

Regarding the terms and conditions of the appointment Govt. must act as an ideal employer and should not set different rules for different employee with similar nature of work. A candidate who is seeking a job is in need of a job and should not be exploited at least at the hand of Govt.

Posted By Amit
Posted On 26-06-2007
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Dear Dr.Narayan,

May I request you not to "emotionalize" the issue of adhoc'ism & adhoc'ists being given unfair treatment.

No one can snatch someone's "bread, butter, jam etc". Comn man, dont lose heart. There is hardly any opposition for regularization of adhoc docs from the beaurocrats even though they are the one responsible for this situation but just Ask yourself honestly the following:

-Did you not know clearly that the appointment was temporary in the first place and that it was devoid of some beneifts of seniority etc. that are associated with regular appintment?

-Did adhoc candidates during their period of adhoc job , not try for UPSC Exam/ Interview, whenever the seats were advertised?

As per my information I put herein some FACTS

1. No regular appointment in any Govt. job( Class I & II) can be made without facing UPSC. This is the proper method of regularization and definitely you stand a fair chance for selection.

3. The issue complicates further if you consider the following:

There are adhoc docs working since 7-8 years and there are some who are appointed just 5-6 months back. The 18th Dec 2006 cut-off date is arbritarily as decided by Delhi Govt. and defies all logic .

- What will be the seniority vis a vis regular DocsTo me this appears to be the only issue disturbing the regular colleagues. Honestly, How can a contactual/adhoc employee claim to be senior to someone who was appointed by UPSC a constitutional body created for this purpose.

-Supreme Court Decisions:

Adhoc friends are simply relying on one off incidence of a similar regularization which was made many years ago in entirely different circumstances.  

There have been SERIES of Supreme Court decisions time & again, in different states of the country, by multiple judge bench, all categorically stating that Adhoc / Temporary / Contract appontments are to be regularised only through a proper selection process till their jobs get regularised .

It might be difficult for adhoc seniors to compete with freshers in UPSC exam. So rather than wanting to have cakes in mouth, both hands & feet also, wisdom should prevail amongst us & we should request Delhi Govt. to simply REGULARIZE US FROM THE PRESENT DATE WITHOUT ASKING US TO FACE ANY INTERVIEW AT ALL (even if it is a formality). This would automatically cut down the opposition from the UPSC appointed regular colleagues

And by adopting this policy, you will not lose your's & your family's bread, butter & jam.

Posted By
Posted On 19-06-2007
Comments I personally feel that there should be no loss to the person who was selected through the UPSC due to the migration of the cadre, at the same time like a big brother DADWA should also support the regularization of the Adhoc doctors because they are working since long and their future become very much insecure if the regularization was not done
Posted By Admin
Posted On 18-06-2007
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Even though the matter is sub-judice, DADWA supports regularization of contractual and ad-hoc doctors and is against all future ad-hoc/contractual appointments for doctors. It would however appeals that the executive takes an open and holistic view of the problem. Solution should not create further problems.

It would be appreciated if the member reveals his identity and mentions his email ID as well. Anonymous views may not be published on the website.

-Secretary DADWA

Posted By
Posted On 15-06-2007
Comments does dadwa favour regularisation of adhoc doctors
Posted By Doctor
Posted On 08-06-2007
Comments The medical fraternity is known to be divided, to the extent of hurting its own interests. It should see that all its sections get the regard and respect that we always had. The artificial sub-cadres created by the bureaucracy have lead to bickering within and could become the cause of our downfall. Let us educate those who have divisive thinking so that all of us fight together for justice and for common interest.
Posted By dr. kapoor
Posted On 07-06-2007
Comments what was the outcome of the meeting with spl. sec.
Posted By Admin
Posted On 07-06-2007
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We were hoping the members would respond to the view above. DADWA is the opinion that appointments on contract and on ad-hoc basis should have no place in DHS and those appointed already should get a fair chance to be regularized as per Govt. policy/rules.

-DADWA 

Posted By Would tell later
Posted On 25-05-2007
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While every one is talking of options for CHS officers there is no talk about regularization of contractual/ad-hoc doctors who are serving for several years now.

If DHS has to be healthy and better than CHS the sole deteriminant would be its ability to give a  better future to everyone. One group should not treat itself as 'more equal' than others, or else the system would compromise the voice and self respect of doctors.


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